Bozo needs to be committed, he is truly a nut job.

YourTurn, I put this in the forum earlier this afternoon with the PDF/motions if anyone wanted to read them. Also a link explaining all the motions. I am glad it is in the BLOG too, BOZO is the gift that keeps on giving. LOL!

I am so under impressed with A Lyons. She is working on KC's FRAUD Case. DUH Andrea! It's about the 12 pack of beer & the push up bra KC was purchasing w/Amy's identity & check on the VIDEO! LOL! I surely hope A Lyons filed that paperwork correctly on those motions as it must have embarrassed her to death with the last motions, the paperwork was filed wrong. I bet those Law Students had a big laugh at her expense.

jmo, the motion filed to have the case dismissed is "all about" getting the STATE to show their hand. We will not see the most damning evidence against KC due to the exceptions in the Sunshine Law, but, you can bet the STATE has damning evidence not released to BOZO yet.

The Defense Team, imo, haven't released any "plausible theories," nothing remotely "believable. The Defense Team desperately needs to know what the STATE has so they can start blaming someone else, jmo. If BOZO were really concerned with his client, it would seem he would BEG for a plea & save her life.

PDF/Motion:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21508696/detail.html
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Video Report. Bill Shaeffer, Legal Analyst said these motions were Laughable! He ask, "When is this defense going to get serious."

http://www.wftv.com/video/21512848/index.html

Baez is a pathetic creature with a pathetic client and a pathetic defense

indictment against Casey Anthony included no facts upon which the charges were based.

huh? hasn't Bozo seen the shopping/bank videos?
how on earth is he planning on denying those videos?
I suppose Bozo is just like kc, lie in the face of the facts?

oH BOY! Not knowing legal mumbo jumbo, it sounds like greek to me. I also hope and pray that the State does have some really good stuff that it doesn't have to show its'hand. Since that lawyer (teacher) HAS NEVER LOST A DEATH PENALTY CASE, let us hope this is the first. Hate to see people back out of jail when they are ...guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty

Casey’s pretrial for her check fraud case has been changed from December 18 to December 11, which is the anniversary of when Caylee’s remains were found.

http://www.wftv.com/news/21508310/detail.htm

she has never lost a death penalty case meaning they still were convicted just didn't get sentenced to death,
The person who murdered Caylee getting life without parole suits me.
If Casey gets murdered on death row then Cindy and George can go on with their lives if she gets life they will have to spend their life tending to her visiting her and putting on a front and paying and drumming up money for her new defense..... That does not disappoint me.

It seems to me that the defense is being allowed to buy more time because the state is determined to go with the check fraud first, IDK why? If in fact there are 3 different charges per check fraud offense, this is overkill. Thinking this just proves to me that the defense team isn't the only side that can make mistakes.
In the big picture I don't see where this matters when there's the murder of Caylee that needs to be resolved first.
To me it's a waste of tax payer money when the accused will be executed anyway. At least this is what the state is saying to the public, she's guilty and they can prove it to murder one w/DP, so why tact on check fraud charges??
IMO, the state should keep the charges simple and move on to the real issue, justice for Caylee.

written by artnut12345, 7:54:38 pm MST

The Defense Team, imo, haven't released any "plausible theories," nothing remotely "believable. The Defense Team desperately needs to know what the STATE has so they can start blaming someone else, jmo. If BOZO were really concerned with his client, it would seem he would BEG for a plea & save her life.

Artnut, I'm sure you've followed enough cases to know the defense doesn't have to present any theory. If they wanted to, it would be in the opening statement @ trial.
I just wanted to clarify that.

Art, that makes a lot of sense, with regard to getting the State to show their hand, though they are rather dimwitted to suppose it would work; this is completely asinine! I will check out your forum post, thanks for always being a conveyor of solid info...it sure helps me with my new hectic schedule!

Deb, I too am fine with life in prison for Casey, but would prefer the death penalty, as it seems a greater justice for Caylee. As far as the A's, regardless of how they have handled their emotions and all of this drama, or how that can be judged, since they did not kill Caylee and clearly loved her very much and have suffered beyond what we can understand with her murder, I would not wish for them to suffer more than they already have. I do not think anyone but the person responsible for her death should have to bear the consequences. Unfortunately as life is...the loss is devastating to all who loved her, and so hearfelt to many of us who have become involved in this case. For her family as always, I have to realize that I cannot imagine the horror of the experiences they have endured...as far as what we may wish for them in the future...WWJD?

Dee, you make an intersting point on the fraud charges. I suppose that I have always seen these charges from the point of damaging her credibility, which may add some value in the murder charges? How much a conviction will change the reality is hard to say, as the truth is already very clear. However, I seem to recall that having been a convicted felon would be information that the jury would receive? Am I correct on that?

Just got home from China Monday...and am getting my time balance back...tomorrow shoudl be 100%.

Cheers to all!
xoxo
Heike

They must let Casey Anthony rott in hell for what she did I can't believe their are people like her that can claim the name "MOTHER" she's not a mothers's ass worth and doesn't deserve to be called one. May justice prevail!!!!

I understand your disliking George and Cindy Anthony, but they have been put in an impossible situation by their monstrous daughter. George has already contemplated suicide in the past. No matter how they act, I do feel compassion for them over the loss of their beloved and only grandchild...not to mention having to face what their own daughter did. Imagine what they'll have to face if Casey every gets off, and announces, "Guess what, I'm pregnant!"?

Curious Dee, The defense has presented a "theory," in COURT!

Not only did Todd M. tell Judge Strickland that "someone else" put Caylee at the dump sight & they had evidence, Judge Strickland has given the Defense until Feb. 1, 2010, to present the names, addresses, & phone numbers of the people involved.

This has JAMMED up, yet again, the Defense Team. It is okay to pander to the local Orlando Media, it is okay to go on Geraldo & claim KC is innocent, BUT, when you state in Judge Strickland's Court Room the defense has evidence someone ELSE put Caylee's body at the dump site, Judge Strickland MAKES you accountable.

The STATE immediately filed a motion requesting this information so, the DEFENSE has until 2/2010 to produce this to Judge Strickland.

NOW, the Defense has filed a motion that "they don't know how to defend KC," is just laughable.

Heike, KC being a "convicted felon" would come into play at LEAST in the Penalty phase of her trial. The STATE can say she is a CONVICTED Felon then for sure, if it is not introduced before.

It is possible that it could in sooner when the STATE introduces the timeline of events that KC did for 31 days. Some of that time was spent using Amy's checks. This, like the "la bella vita" tattoo show she spent her time enjoying her life instead of looking for Caylee, jmo.

No one put George and Cindy in the position to lie not once but every single breath they take to confuse justice on Caylee parts what would Jesus do? Well he says better a milestone be hung about their necks and them cast into the sea than to hurt a little one, he also says only a foolish woman tears down her house around her and he says with angry man do not go and better to dwell on a rooftop than in a house with an angry woman from an angry man you must flee the city and make no grounds with an evil person lest they become a snare to your soul he also says touch not the unclean thing come away from it be clean eschew that which is evil............ Cindy is now saying she looked up chloroform to create reasonable doubt George has now begun to lie to make it harder for prosecution on Casey as well, they are not long suffering family who is trying to be helpful to Casey and let her take her punishment , no they have begun to twist and turn every single angle of this case to make a reasonable doubt anywhere they could THAT is not of GOD.
have said many times I would not want to be in there shoes I have no issues with them loving Casey but to sit and go on a mission to create reasonable doubt to say pizza was in trunk no they never smelled a dead body in car etc its wrong.

oh and my personal favorite
"a child left to itself brings it Mother shame and destruction"
By excusing even know what she has done finding an excuse trying to cover it up they have truly shown they made Casey who she is.

also Heike,

they never even made an effort to find a killer of their grandchild they simply made it a cat and mouse game of where she could be or who it could be they hid every possible chance of a fast recovery of Caylee to protect their Casey,
they attacked the woman falsely accused and called her ugly
They have done everything they can to cover up the death of their grandchild's evidence to make it hard on law enforcement,
and then even in later stages have profited form her death so much so they now do not have to work I am quite sure Jesus would not do that,(Satan knows scripture just doesn't understand it)
They do not have my sympathy I find them repulsive.

Thanks Art...that is what I thought, so for that reason, I am for getting a conviction sooner than later on these charges.

I cannot even imagine what the defense plans to produce in Feb '10 or as they said they had evidence, why they are they getting so much time to produce it!? It will very, very interesting.

Deb, I guess we just chalk our differing views up to interpretation, perception and the wonders of diversity.:-)


KooKKY, I agree with your points. The only person that I want to see pay for Caylee's murder is the murderer. The family will suffer this loss for all time, regardless of what happens now; I simply could never wish them more suffering and am grateful that I have never been dealt the tragic cards that they were.

Cheers to all!

xoxo
Heike

Artnut,
I'm aware of that particular motion "someone else did it". That's old news. The defense has to give the state something but not "all" of the details. Lets say, if they want to use the insanity defense that has to be revealed. Both sides have to share, that goes without saying. But it's all subject to change as the evidence is revealed and of course now with this revealation, "the mysterious DNA" found on the duct tape it is plausible that someone else may have placed Caylee's body where it was found while Casey was in jail. This does raise reasonable doubt.
Face the fact that many people are in prison today on DNA evidence and nothing else. Here we have everything else, but no DNA, no fingerprint.
As I've stated before, I'm not willing to bet anything on what the defense is going to do with Casey. What I'm posting about has to do with the overkill of the check fraud charges.
If their (the State's)case is so strong, why do they need to attack Casey's creditability? That just shows weakness in my opinion. I think the state is sweating over the DNA found on the duct tape and they should.
If I were on the jury and this fact was brought in as evidence, I would take it in strong consideration, but that's just me.

JackieB and Heike,
I feel that the Anthony's are in a place where many of us have never been nor do we want to be. I see where many people see them as despicable human beings but without them where would Casey be today? Maybe hanging out at Fusions with her friends. That's reality.
It was Cindy who reported Caylee missing, not Casey.
So for all of their faults, at least they did one thing right. They reported Caylee missing. Caylee wasn't in school yet. They could have lied and just said Caylee was in custody of her father and no one could have proved differently. Or they could have set Casey up in a different city and said Casey and Caylee moved. This could have gone on forever maybe. IDK, so in the big picture I thank Cindy for doing the right thing just once. I'll have to chalk up the rest of their misgivings as distraught parents and forgive them. Just my thoughts on the subject...

had they simply supported Casey that's one thing its their child and Caylee is their grandchild but they didn't just support her they attacked the very evidence against the person who killed Caylee and the tried to cover it up for her (Casey) lie for her to prevent her form being held responsible to what on she knows she did with that poor helpless child
and they are still lying for Casey still trying to produce reasonable doubt , she living off Caylee's name still still still still still THAT CHILD DOES deserve justice that child does DESERVE to have someone be reckoned with but in the end it will happen one way or another.
If the law cannot get her her life until she does right by that child will be horrible that's just how life works you will get your due.

Dee, yes, I agree...I think it is very clear in Cindy's 911 call and the interviews with witnesses to this time that Cindy was adamant about finding and protecting her grandchild. George was beyond consolable. They loved that baby girl and I beleive that they have lived in various forms of denial, panic, survival and any other mode that got got them through the day. I do not agree with all they have said or done, but I never walked those shoes, it is not my place to judge them, they did not kill Caylee and as much as they have now had to face the probabilities (I assume), I do not think that they could touch it before, I think they thought it impossible. And now, even if a part of them believes that Casey is responsible, they surely remember the baby girl they raised, all of the good times and likely believe that it was an accident, followed by poor judgement or something of that nature and want to protect her life at all costs. As a mother, I can see not being able to come to terms with the truth. They have so much more information and memories of warm family times than we do. All we know spins on the negative and all of our assumptions are based on a very short time period.

Yes, I believe Casey killed Caylee, but I do not think that anyone saw it coming or could connect with it being possible initially, based on the life they knew. That seems to be a universal feeling. The people that knew them did not ever imagine such an atrocity. In hindsight, eveyone seems to think it was obvious, but hindisght is not reality and has little to do with the lives as they were previous to Caylee's death. Casey's behavior was unacceptable in many ways, but by all accounts there were no signs that made anyone think that she would harm Caylee? There is a MASSIVE leap from young and sometimes irresponsible daughter/mother to baby killer. The process of accepting this as a possibility has been unsurmountable for her parents. I find that understandable.

I do not think that it changes their love and devotion to Caylee that they want to protect their daughter, as they do not know what happened or how or why, they must go for the easiest thought to absorb? Their scrutiny comes from a different place and so their beliefs could never fall into the purely analytical place that ours do?

As far as their bad behavior and poor choices...my gut instinct has always been that they are good people who love their daughter and loved Caylee and just cannot cope well will this freaking mess that their lives have become, cannot cope with the loss and the pain. I know I am in the minority, but that is ok. :-)

I do believe that Caylee in spirit loves her grandparents, as they were very good to her...and that is enough for me to give them a break. I imagine that vindication is a human concept, and that the least of Caylee's concerns are revenge and such dark ideas....in spirit, I expect that we live on a higher level that is more about growth and learning.

But I am human, and I do want Casey to pay for this in this lifetime we are living.

I also agree with Art and believe the State has cards unplayed and we will all get our wish of a conviction. I think the evidence that we have now is strong as well. The death penatly is uncertain to me, but I still see it as a possibility.

Oh my...I got on a ramble! hahaha

Wishing you all a beautiful evening!

xoxo
Heike

Heike, I am in the minority also. There is one person that murdered Caylee...and that is her own mother. I too want her to be held accountable...to pay the full price, in every way. The Ant's by all accounts loved Caylee. They went above and beyond the role of grandparents in her care. I too do not understand how they react, but I have never walked in their shoes. Thank God.

every criminal has made that proverbial 'leap' to the unthinkble . . . it starts little and escalates
imo ca and ga can love and support their daughter but where that goes wrong is when they lie
sure they loved kc, sure they love Caylee too, but their allegiance is to kc, probably because they are somewhat Godless and since Caylee is no longer tangible they only have kc
i can't even speculate on how i would behave if i were ca or ga, cuz i've never been in such a terrible place, but looking back on my life of many mistakes, in the end, or hindsight, i see where i was wrong, and tried to make it right
i do not see that in ca and ga
it's all about them now, no longer is Caylee a victim of murder, it's about kc, ca and ga being victims in their mind
very selfish behavior

and im pretty sure if kc confided in ca or ga, they would have done just about anything to help her cover it up or make it look more like an 'accident'
the calls to LE were knee jerk reactions, when they knew more, and all signs pointed to kc, they went into cover up mode, like they are now
ca and ga's only regrets were those instinctual calls and statements to LE
i just can't find the sympathy for them
call me human

What is “funny” to me, is there are a handful of people at this site that believe KC had nothing to do with Caylee’s death!!??!! I guess Caylee crawled into KC’s trunk and died an accidental death and then managed to duct tape her head and mouth, bag herself and walk to the site down the street from the Anthony home. Miracles do happen that way!! Or, perhaps ya’ll believe in the nanny theory, and KC was looking for Caylee for 31 days at the tattoo shop, Tony’s home, and the clubs, sure that makes since, I guess!!?? So, to the none believers, I need to hear your theory. I can’t make sense of how Caylee died at the hands of another person, and this evidence puts Caylee in KC’s trunk and KC cared so little for Caylee she told not a single sole she was missing!!!! Educate me please!!!!

Oh, another point, it is quite obvious KC does know how to call 911 when her life is endangered for a few seconds, not 31 days missing!!!

quailtygurl,
I think you hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that the Ant's 911 calls were instinctual

quailtygurl,
Instinctual, I like that word. When the Ant's got the car back, they knew Caylee was more than likely gone. Xcop and RN knew it wasn't pizza they were smelling in the trunk.
I think when the media and the protesters started marching in front of their home, they instinctually went into protective mode. That's all that I see from them.
If they did anything in the cover-up like moving the body or cleaning the trunk, I think they should be charged like anyone else. But so far, this hasn't been proven. They are the parents and they don't have to be objective.

PPl that still believe in CMA are as ill as that girl.. The only thing that she is innocent of is.. no work for those tiny hands , no work for that tiny lil brain. INNOCENT !! ????

I am usually very open minded to other ideas but on this I feel stoic.
Cindy and George have acted strange and they have tried to confuse what we know happened.
Quailygirl said do not see that in ca and ga
it's all about them now, no longer is Caylee a victim of murder, it's about kc, ca and ga being victims in their mind
very selfish behavior
couldn't have said it better myself
written by Krisam, 9:08:39 am MST
What is “funny” to me, is there are a handful of people at this site that believe KC had nothing to do with Caylee’s death!!??!! I guess Caylee crawled into KC’s trunk and died an accidental death and then managed to duct tape her head and mouth, bag herself and walk to the site down the street from the Anthony home. Miracles do happen that way!! Or, perhaps ya’ll believe in the nanny theory, and KC was looking for Caylee for 31 days at the tattoo shop, Tony’s home, and the clubs, sure that makes since, I guess!!?? So, to the none believers, I need to hear your theory. I can’t make sense of how Caylee died at the hands of another person, and this evidence puts Caylee in KC’s trunk and KC cared so little for Caylee she told not a single sole she was missing!!!! Educate me please!!!!
Krisam ROFL HAHAHHAHAH

written by copper, 1:58:38 pm MST
PPl that still believe in CMA are as ill as that girl.. The only thing that she is innocent of is.. no work for those tiny hands , no work for that tiny lil brain. INNOCENT !! ???? rofl hahahahaha
To the rest of you : they (anthony's)don't deserve how tender hearted you are Dee Cheryl and you too Heike.
me myself I just want to roll em up fry em and call them done you know?

DebB,
Well, wish as you may but I don't think any of the Anthonys will fry for anything. It is your right to dislike anyone you wish. But being bold capped and angry won't get them arrested and charged for anything, unless you think they are part of Caylee's demise. They were conspirators? Could be.
I'm not sympathetic or hostile towards them. I just haven't seen where they have broken the law and that's where I'm stoic.
As to who votes or who doesn't, it's silly isn't it? We all have a right to our own opinion. When I hear of homicide of anyone,(child, infant, adult, bum, CEO, the Pope) it doesn't matter. As an objective human being, I'd like proof before injecting poison in someone's veins and sending them to their maker.
Hopefully, at trial the state will have the proverbial smoking gun. I hoping they do. But while I'm being stoic, let me say this. People have been sent to death row and later vindicated. It's always a possibility.
I haven't voted btw. I don't know what that means but this might be an indication as to what a jury may do. IDK.

Hey everyone...

I really appreciate your comments Dee, as they are analytical and objective.

We all can only specualte as to exactly how & why Caylee died, but the majority of us are certain that Casey is responsible.

Based on the facts of the A's reaction to finding Casey's car and their ongoing emotions, I cannot see any logic that would point them as conspirators. Do they want to save their daughter, yes. Would they participate in Caylee's dumping, etc. in order to do that, my opinion is a firm no.

The Anthony's behavior initially was about denial, in my view, you have your grandaughter missing, you cannot believe your daughter did it, as you have to much telling you it is not possible, and the facts of the smell and everything else get buried in denial. The mind cannot cope, so it denies.

My mother died a far less dramatic death two+ years ago...though it was dramatic enough for me to still deny many aspects of what happened on some level. I can only imagine with the media and the national drama, what someone could experience. From one day to the next....BAMM, you are just like a normal person and suddenly THIS horror takes over. Yes, I can forgive them for their failings, as I am convinced that they were victims of Casey's actions...they lost their sweet grandbaby and have to try to face that their daughter is responsible. She too, was their baby. None of us can feel that trauma. None of us can know how we would respond. Everyone thinks that they do...but that is far removed from living it. SO, yes, I have forgiveness for the A'a, they did not kill Caylee and they have been through an unprecedented nightmare in the media.

I remember one member here visited with Cindy in FL and said that she was a very genuine and nice person, welcoming and kind. Maybe, just maybe....what we see is not the whole picture?

In any case, I agree that anger is not generally our friend. There are many ways to see every experience in life, anger and negativity really never serves us or humanity. The best path that I know is to ask myself how I can grow and learn and become the best person that I can be. What do I have to offer?

xoxo
Heike

Dee,
I was not angry, I was trying for humor , I said you guys were vry tender hearted it was a compliment not an insult , I was going for humor by bolding the funny stuff the others said.
I am sorry I came off wrong, I was going for humor really I was, I will try to word my things better

I think the Anthony's have not shown anything but self in the case and they are trying to cover up the fact their grandchild was killed by the obvious person she was killed by , I seriously don't see it as denial I see it as refusal to allow her to be punished. I would still fry them.

Thank God the world is full of different people with different life experiences. That makes me confident that there can be a fair trial and Caylee will get the justice she deserves.
This case has taken on a life of it's own, i think we can all agree on that. I can't think of one case where the parents have interjected themselves so far into something to protect their child and done it so publically. (kudos to the sunshine law in FL and ca and ga's willingness to put themselves out there on major media outlets)
It's one thing to say that ca and ga are in denial, i think we all know the stages of greif, and denial is one of them, and perhaps the hardest one to overcome, but . . . it's been a year and a half since this their grandaughter was murdered, perhaps in their own little world ca and ga have accepted the facts and moved on from denial to the other stages . . . could be why there isn't any visits or communication with kc. but they know how to play people, and for them to play on our sympathy to try to make us believe their reality and that they are just still in denial is warped, and pretty much playing us. Just like all their statements to try to create reasonable doubt, if they can say just one thing to make one person doubt, then they feel they've done their job.
and lets face it ca and ga have been somewhat villianized in the media too. i have to say that in my opinion part of it's thier own doing, so for them to try for the sympathy card or victim card will only make them feel less responsible for Caylees death.
don't get me wrong, ca and ga were kc's victims, she played them, but the think is ca was on to it and was seeking counseling on how to change things. not sure they are as much victims as enablers.
i just can't give them the victim label, yes, they are greiving grandparents, yes they lost a precious baby, but it seems that the alligiane goes like this
kc
ca
ga
la
then Caylee

the only problem is
kc ca ga la will carry on
Caylee will never have the opportunity to do that, to me that makes Caylee the onlyvictim in this crime

*my bolding is for emphasis, no offense anyone

I agree quaily.

wait lol, I don't however think they are in denial of anything at this point, I too lost my Mother , but I also lost my Mother father grandparents aunts and uncles, My Mom died from cancer five years ago to the day last night, it was horrible to watch her go thru that and I was there with her, I understand the pain of loss, I do not however understand how GA and CA have acted.
They have been around the media circuit trying to put reasonable doubt when all evidence points to Casey , yes she is their only daughter she also killed their only granddaughter, and she also partied afterward, celebrated life afterward.
They took it upon themselves to try to ruin others lives in the process they have shown that it does not matter who they hurt so long as they can protect Casey from the crime of killing Caylee, they tried to ruin Jesse Grund , Zenaida Gonzalez and they did not care.
They have tried everyway possible to point fingers and blame others when in fact in total truth they never had to do any of that,
They could have simply supported their child and not set upon the world to tell one lie after another, the fact that they don't care who they hurt to save Casey makes me sick , because Casey did this to herself and there is no need to destroy others lives simply to save her , they know she is guilty if they did not know she was guilty they would not feel the need to make up lies about why and when and change their story instead if she were innocent in their eyes they would feel no reason to lie as they would know in their own minds no reason to lie because Casey didn't do it, but they feel they have every reason to lie because they know she did do it.
They have done what they can especially Cindy to hinder prosecution hinder law enforcement knowing did things such as wash the smell , give fbi wrong hair brush to identify the hair in the trunk why would you do that unless you knew it was Caylees? now Cindy says she looked up cloryphis SP? you only make stuff up when know your trying to cover other things up.
They need psychiatric help.

DebB,
I reread your post, thanks for calling me a kind person.


I really am and so are you..It's all good Deb.

I agree DebB
very well said

Good evening,

Well, Deb, we all have different feelings about the peripheral aspects of the case, that is what makes it so interesting to discuss. I personally could never wish for anyone to "fry" unless they were responsible for first degree murder, but that is just me. I did not realize that was the Christian philosophy?

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I agree that the Anthony's have not been pristine in their reactions and I do not agree with all that they have said or done as being the best course...yet, again, I have never walked in their shoes. I cannot help but feel for their loss and the ensuing tragic effect on their lives. I doubt that I would handle that kind of chaos and horror perfectly either. I know how much I love my daughter.

More importantly, back to the intitial discussion---what on earth do we think might come of these motions? Critter opened the discussion well! And what will become of the requirement for "evidence" from the defense on their thrid party villian in February?

Will it end with justice fo Caylee...I believe it will, but would so like to be a fly on the wall in the meetings with the DA.....to know what we are missing?

Wow....

xoxo
Heike

Heike,
so far in this post you have taken the opportunity twice to jab at me for being christian in this blog and so many many many times in the past so allow me
yes I am a christian
what does that mean?
it means I am not perfect nor do I profess to be
it does not mean that I will not have opinions
nor does it mean I will not be angry when others make me angry because even christian have reactions
nor does it mean I will not joke
nor does it mean if I display anything but politically correct behavior that I am not being a christian
on the contrary Heike; it means most likely I will never ever not even remotely be politically correct nor do I desire to be so , nor will I ever fit in nor do I desire to do so
simply put:
it means I believe in Jesus Christ God the holy ghost in what manner shape and form is personal and protected under the first amendment as is your right to believe or disbelieve, I have no ill will nor any forsaken thoughts about people who do not believe I don't particularly care if you believe in the moon goddess of mars really it does not matter one hill of beans to me, I just have never cared what others beliefs are in when it comes to God because my beliefs are that well embedded in whom I am.( I am not perfect but God loves me anyway)
THAT BEING SAID the more you jab at me actually the better it makes me feel because I know that it bothers you that I have such strong beliefs. You have blessed day Heike.
and thank you so much for caring so much about me that read every post I write

Thank you Dee and Quaily!!!! I love you guys too

I went back to find the opening statements give by Critter
I gotta say I love every line of it it made me bust out laughing hahahah I love it well said Critter SO very true hon so very true. She summed it up in one short line!!!
"written by CritterFan1, 6:54:48 pm MST
Bozo needs to be committed, he is truly a nut job.

For softhearted people. Sad this is why Justice never prevails. We allow murders to go free, we feel it's ok for Parents or family members to cover up what the murderer has done. We allow them to lie and carry on as if that is a "NORMAL" behavior in this case. To go to the tow yard and smell death in the car hoping it isn't Casey or Caylee. Finding Casey and no Caylee they had their answer. And the pizza box I guess was the real Caylee in that trunk. I believe both George and Cindy knew once they smell that decomp coming from that car. But yes shock set in. They didn't want to believe what THEY KNEW. So they started covering up for Casey right away. Forget Caylee. It was over for that baby the min. they smelled death. They should have called the LE at the tow yard. But they chose to START THE COVER UP.

I don't feel sorry for anyone who lies. There are lots of tragic events in many people's lives. Not just the Anthony's. Marc Klass never acted like an idiot. I could go on with a list for miles but I won't.

No excuses. Even those that bring up the bible. Thou shall not lie. nor give false witness. nor murder. All of them were broken.

written by shylohg, 9:27:39 am MST
So they started covering up for Casey right away. Forget Caylee. It was over for that baby the min. they smelled death. They should have called the LE at the tow yard. But they chose to START THE COVER UP.
yes shylohg, THEY CHOSE to start the cover, thank you for saying in better words than I have been able to express it is how I feel they made the choice they chose to cover it up , like oh well Caylee is gone its over for her but lets save Casey who know must have done it.
anyone else would be guilty a sa killer if they hid the killer's crimes , is why I say they should be held accountable too. its called accessory after the fact .

The CSO polls show KC may luck out with a hung jury, but not an acquittal. If KC gets a hung jury, she can ask for bond again. Likely bond would once again be denied, and KC can sit and wait for up to a year for trial number two. Statistics reflect when there is a hung jury; usually the State gets the “win” guilty verdict, on trial number two!!!! So KC, have fun waiting for your sentence!!!! Life or DP!!!!

Curious- I could actually see CA and GA voting at this site, along with KC’s FEW other supporters!!!!

Nobody has offered a theory as to whom else could have committed this murder, and ALL the evidence points back to KC!!!! Still waiting!!!!

Deb, :-) I am following the post and commenting on many responses, it is really not about you...? My two questions were from a curiosity standpoint and sincere in the sense of trying to understand how the wanting people to fry fits in with the belief system. It is quite unlike the perspective of my Christian friends, so I was curious. I'll admit the WWJD was a bit of a jab, sorry, I could not resist, but my question about the philosphy was sincere and from a place of wanting to understand. I do study religion and like to hear input from all sources.

Just to be clear, I am not supporting many of the A's actions, in any way...I do still have compassion for their loss and circumstances. It requires nothing of anyone, it is just who I am. It is that simple.

Like I said, we can all celebrate diversity...I enjoy that in my life everyday and wish the same for you.

Heike

PS...I should say that I have not ever asked questions about you being Christian, Deb. I have many wonderful Christian friends and love them deeply, and respect anyone's religious faith. My questions were about what I percieved as a hypocrisy to Christianity, as I understand it. It is more of an analytical approach to me, rather than personal. I truly like to understand where people are coming from, so that I can learn about all of the views and ideas that exist. Whether I agree or not is not even important.

When I listen to the initial 911 tapes of Cindy...there is nothing about that which does not sound 100% desperate in my mind. IF there was a cover up in process at that time, since the tow yard, why would that call have been made? Even IF she were a great actor, why would the call have been made? The call was made because they wanted help to find their grandaughter, and nothing, not even the smell of death had convinced them that she was not alive. DENIAL.

Over time, things have gotten out of control and I think they have made poor choices, but many are trumped up...even still, they know Caylee is gone, they cannot change that and they are trying to protect their daughter who they cannot help but love (again, all of the memories and good times since birth are what they have). We can hate her as the only Casey we know is the young adult who behaved badly...we do not have the memories of our sweet little daughter at birth, 1, 2 3, 6, 9, etc. We do not know how it would feel to erradicate a lifetime of memories and support our daughter being put to death? I do not think any parent who truly loves their child can be expected to do that? Regardless of the fact that I do not agree with how they have moved forward on certain issues, I sure can wrap my brain around the fact that I do not understand what they are experiencing. I think they are desperate and have been from day one...the reality has changed, but desperation is their life. They did not kill Caylee and I am sure never thought for a moment that Casey was capable...no one did. They must feel that Casey is sick, that something happened that they cannot understand. But can we really blame them for not wanting their daughter to spend life in prison or die?

The things that are hardest for me to understand is sending blame elsewhere...but I think that too, was in desperation of not being able to comprehend the possibility and searching for any answer.

I am not looking for anyone to agree with me :-), but these are the things that I think about. My instincts have always been very good to me and I still feel that the family are not the villians that they are made out to be, but victims of Casey's actions....in her personailty disorder (usually hits in the early 20's) she killed Caylee and shocked everyone beyond comprehension.

I hope like hell that Casey gets the full impact of the law and that everyone's life that she has virtually destroyed by this horrendous act will find some peace, someday.

xoxo
Heike

Hello,
I watch the Saints game and everyone has gone crazy. Crazy like Bozo, Cindy Scamathony, and all of the other names people use.
I find it offensive. I can not take a person's comment seriously when it starts off with Bozo or Nutbag or any of those names.
When I read over posts and see name calling, I'm turned off immediately and don't even bother to read that person's views because I can't imagine a person who calls other people petty names would have written anything worth reading.
It's like you don't know what you're missing until you read at a different site. I was reading on Blink's site and read for hour and noticed something was rather informative in reading these posts and then it dawned on me. No one was calling anyone names. And then I read a affirmation from Blink...it's not allowed. Then I thought, wouldn't that be nice to see here? Just good old logic and proper names.I mean Bozo was funny a long time ago, but it's not any more.
So there I said how I feel since it seems to be the topic. I really don't care anymore, I'm used to it, but I just thought yall would like to know what it implies to new readers. Its so common.

Curious- I hope my abbreviations does not offend you, that is not my intent!!! And, how did you interject that with watching the Saints??? LOL

CA for Cindy Anthony, GA for George Anthony and KC for Casey. I wont honor KC with her sir name!!! But, I always spell out Baez correctly!!!

written by Heike, 11:37:58 pm MST
My questions were about what I percieved as a hypocrisy to Christianity, as I understand it. It is more of an analytical approach to me, rather than personal. I truly like to understand where people are coming from, so that I can learn about all of the views and ideas that exist. Whether I agree or not is not even important.

no your whole point is that if one declares themselves a christian then they should not have an opinion you disagree with cause if they do then you will ask them if they are a christian , Christianity is a huge issue with you , One that irritates you and eats at you, = if someone being a christian bothers you so much AVOID THEM .
I told this once long before , " I am sure of two things in life, " there is a God and you are not him".

You know I wonder if she began cleaning up and thought if she gets rid of the decomp and there is only fluid left on the rags people wouldn't think it was rotten food could she really be that unthinking that she wouldn't think they would run dna test on the paper towels?
maybe she thought the time it took to get car towed etc would give it time to dissipate or perhaps she thoughts eh could then blame tow yard, I wonder if she parked where she parked cause she was going to dump the garbage in the garbage can and her ride pulled up sooner than she thought so she slammed lid shut?

why didn't her ride think she stunk ??/ Perhaps she always wore heavy perfume?

I wonder what was in the garbage can at the parking lot she left the car at .

I don’t think KC thought much at all during her crime spree!!! KC acted out of rage towards her mother and directed it at Caylee. If KC thought about evidence, she would not have left Caylee in the trunk for so long to leave decomposing fluids. KC would not have used duct tape and bags from her home. KC would not have used her home computer to search missing children, chloroform, or send fake emails to herself. KC would not have wrapped Caylee in a matching laundry bag from her home. KC would not have dumped Caylee so close to home leaving damning evidence beside Caylee’s remains. KC would not have abandoned her car and call Tony, a witness to pick her up. I am starting to believe there will be more evidence revealed with the syringe and syringe bag that was so well preserved in the Gatorade bottle, such as a latent print. I doubt KC wore gloves to conceal her prints. KC acted out of rage, and thought for the moment. KC always thinks of KC!!!! KC is not that smart, a five year old could have come up with a better lie then the nanny did it!!!


Last, religion has nothing to do with Caylee’s murder!!! If one understands where KC was coming from when she murdered Caylee, is KC forgiven. Should all Christians find KC not guilty if we understand her?? No doubt CA and GA suffered a great loss. A path nobody would choose. CA and GA can choose another path, a righteous path!!! I don’t think people blame CA and GA for Caylee’s death, yet blame them for protecting and lying for KC, while impeding and obstructing the investigation and Justice for Caylee!!!

THank you Krisam THANK YOU!!!

DebB,

I am not certain at all why you have those negative and completely untrue perceptions in terms of how I feel about religion. As I have said, I have many very close Christian friends, and this is not about religion itself. I love and accept all, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, Athiest. I do not every jusdge by religion, and have not judged you for that, I just like to understand how people's behaviors relate to their beliefs.

I was curious as to how the "frying" of people fit into yours, as it is a foundation from which you often speak. It is quite different than the philosphy of my Christian friends and I was curious as I could not comprehend it.

I likely should not have broached the subject, that is my fault and I apologize for opening that door.

Let's stick to the topic and know that I respect you and everyone for their own religious beliefs. I just like to understand them. :-) It is a part of my seeking nature....

Cheers!

Heike

I will tell you what I believe is the difference between someone in true denial to someone who is covering up: Cindy's words to Casey according to Lee's account:
"WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?"

This is a test as to why I am not being logged in right. UGH!

Back to the check fraud issue..
I've always wondered about the fact that Casey signed her own name on a few of these checks. Why would someone do this? My first thought was she had permission to use them. Or it maybe this. Last ditch crime spree? This explains her actions. She knew her days of freedom were numbered. She gets a tattoo "Bella Vita", forges checks, etc.
She didn't try to run. Sometimes I think she knew she would soon be arrested very soon because nothing KC did made sense.

written by Standby, 8:29:03 am MST
I will tell you what I believe is the difference between someone in true denial to someone who is covering up: Cindy's words to Casey according to Lee's account:
"WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?"

I agree.

I agree that the moment that the A's smelled the smell in the car and consequently could not find Caylee...it was there in their mind, as a possibility that harm had come their way, but not that it was at the hands of Casey, at that point. Once they found Casey and no Caylee, it had to register on some level. That is not in question in my view. But denial is not about denying what is uncertain, very often it is in denying what is or seems certain but is too much to absorb or believe. From a pshychological standpoint, denial is often in relationship to the truth.

Of course they worried that Caylee may be dead at the hands of their daughter, Once she started lying...but everything that they knew to be true, as they saw their life experiences, along with the desire and need to hope, allowed the denial...probably fought like hell for it, as it is a coping/defense mechanism inherent in all of us. You seek for reasons to believe anything but the horrible truth.

I do imagine that the denial level has changed dramatically from those first weeks and months, since the remains were found, but probably not entirely.

I know this is repetitive, but for all of the parents out there, we surely know that the whole life of raising a child and our love for them is beyond translation to words. It is a jouney of many years and they know a Casey that we do not know. They cannot fathom that she did this, even if they know it on some level. They definitely did not foresee this? Just because your child steals some money and shows irresponsibility, you do not expect her to kill her baby?

I think the biggest issue is that WE fit the pieces together in HINDSIGHT, which is never really reality, as it short term and very focused on the resulting facts. A huge part of who Casey was growing up and through her life and even in her relationship with Caylee, could be far removed from the part of her that killed Caylee. Is that an excuse, hell NO. But it is the reason why everyone that knew her was shocked? And I think that is the reason that her family could deny for so long, even in the face of the evidence. Denial is a magical thing, it is not rational...it protects you, it reaches for everything that supports you emotionally. It may have seemed ultra foolish and diversionary from the outside, but from the iside, it likely made sense.

From a psychological standpoint, I find that all interesting and yet, purely tragic for the family. I have compassion.

rom a reality perspective, I do not give a flying flip about what the A's think about Casey's guilt. It will not be up to them whether Casey is held accountable for killing Caylee. This must be done and I believe that it will be.

Good night to all....

xoxo
Heike

don't know Dee
I do know that normally when someone gives you a check they sign it then give it to you right so she signed it with her own name perhaps she was not in thinking mode she had after all Caylees dead body on her mind or perhaps it was drugs or it could even be that she signed her name so that when caught she could say why would I sign my own name if I was not allowed to use it, I mean to be honest with you Dee nothing this girl has done seems to have rhyme or reason does it? She is just plain weird.

Haven't chimed in on this thread, but was reading through and wanted to respond to a couple of issues that have come up. As many of you know, I take contributing here quite seriously, and find it extremely important to maintain a level head and an even keel in being factual and objective in reporting about the cases that make their way here. By the same token, many of you know something about me personally and my philosophical and religious bent, and I think it is not only possible but quite necessary to wear both hats, and wear them well—to be able to deal well with both the objective and the subjective, issues of both the head and heart, that we confront in cases like this one.

I agree with you, Dee, that name-calling is not very productive, and that on a site like ours it tends to produce more heat than light. I also agree with you, Heike, that we generally need to maintain tender hearts and show compassion toward others; that is in fact the Christian way. By the same token, Deb, I also agree with you that we need to hold even grieving people accountable for their choices and words, and if the grandparents of this precious little baby girl are covering up or lying—or worse yet, lying to authorities, which would make that lying criminal—then they need to be held accountable, as sympathetic as we can be toward them for their loss.

I found your comments quite interesting, Krisam, as you stated how many "dumb criminal" choices appear to have been made by Casey in committing this crime; and, unfortunately, I believe the defense will try to use these things to gain her acquittal! In the 48 Hours piece on the Anthony case, I heard hints of this from Jose Baez when he said, "They want you to believe that this 22-year-old girl is a master forensic sleuth who could outwit and outsmart the entire FBI and still be dumb enough to leave her child’s body off the side of the road . . . a block from her house" (source: CBS News). Food for thought.

By the way, if you'll permit me a little bit of armchair psychologizing with Casey's behavior after Caylee was known to be missing: I don't know if it might have come across this way to some of you, or whether it's just me (grammatically, the word here should be "I," but I'm using the idiom, okay?), but it occurs to me that, even with some attempts to cover up—it sure looks like someone attempted to wipe up the decompositional fluid in the trunk, for example—at least part of the "dumb criminal" in Casey may actually have wanted to get caught, and perhaps may have wanted to gain notoriety for this heinous crime, once it was done.

What I read in all the partying and in the careless check-kiting from Amy's checkbook is a desperate Casey saying to herself, "What the hell? What else is left, with my baby daughter gone and my parents hopelessly estranged from me?" Do any of you pick up on that same kind of vibe—partying like there literally wasn't a tomorrow?

yes Tim is what I feel too like she just felt like she was spinning out of control , I do believe part of her wanted to be caught to be acknowledged for knowing Caylee was close to home for how she masterminded this and I think she was caught by her ride who came to pick her up I believe those towels would have gone in the trash had he not been so quick to arrive when she called him , so she was forced to leave that bag there, I remember so well Cindy saying while on 911 phone call I have given you 30 days.....also Cindy received car and instead of calling police at yard she had him drive it home where she cleaned up the clothing and gosh only knows what else she coudl have cleaned out the trunk as well considering the trunk was left to dry for hours while she washed dried folded Caseys clothing then set out to hunt for her I know at least two to three hours had to have passed tho I am not sure of how long a time line and nurses do know what helps to clean such up, I think Quaily hit right on the money when she said they decided the cover up would begin. But they also had to look serious enough to not implicate themselves.
Her endless partying I thin she knew being caught was imminent so she partied like she never has in order to make up for all she knew she would never do again, she knew it was only a matter of time, time she would spend well and never regret for she knew she would have a lifetime of regrets.
I don't believe she thinks she is getting out of prison.
I do believe she will tell how Mom and Dad helped her hide the murder tho.

as far as Cindy goes, she was homicide detectives wife she cleaned up evidence and knew it . They knew what they were ending when they did it
Cindy's concern appears to be her own status and she has not cared who life she has destroyed in the process .
I guess Cindy was doing ugly coping as well.
I don't care who thinks I am not a christian for believing Cindy is guilty
if it were not me saying I think it would be agreed with I really don't see the person who is asking me why I think that asking anyone else why they think Cindy should be held accountable.
Cindy is a woman absorbed n self, her agenda is not soley Casey but helping Casey helps herself if it did not she would not do it.

Tim – I agree with you, KC partied like it was 1999, with no worries. As we have all heard on the news or in movies, it is not uncommon when someone commits a crime, to then go on a crime spree afterwards, as it appears KC did. That explains KC’s sloppy work, thinking moment-to-moment, day-to-day!! I understand Baez’ issue, “they want you to believe that this 22-year-old girl is a master forensic sleuth who could outwit and outsmart the entire FBI and still be dumb enough to leave her child’s body off the side of the road . . . a block from her house". However, I don’t believe there will be just one piece of “damning” evidence that seals KC’s fate, yet all the compiled evidence together, starting with KC’s many damning computer searches prior to Caylee’s death, not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days, the phantom nanny and multiple lies LE caught KC in, and then all the forensic evidence that has been discussed, and analyzed. I continue to hope for a definite affirmative link pointing to KC, a latent print, DNA evidence, etc., but the State may not have it. My common sense and logic tells nearly everyone KC is the culprit, just like in the OJ case, and that is my fear.

Tim and Curious- Both of you lay out the evidence, pointing out the pros and cons, thinking outside the box, making excellent points. The evidence reminds me of a roller coaster ride, damning evidence, smoking gun, then not so damning at all. I continue to hope Justice will Prevail!!!

I don’t think KC wanted notoriety as Caylee’s murderer, yet wanted to be the victim (the mother of a missing child) that gains nation wide attention. I don’t understand why a 21-year-old mother would spend her time looking at these sites on her computer. At the end of the day, KC has got the notoriety she so desired, the beautiful life she dreamed of, yet not in the manner she expected or wanted!!!

I thinks he searched missing children for several reasons
number one most Mothers with children do that
perhaps she thought she could find a child who was missing
lastly grimly perhaps she was judging how often they are found,
I know she has made me relook at missing children in a whole new light now I wonder are they dead ? did their parents kill them? Before the search begins.

Tim,

Firstly, thank you for your balanced views and contributions. I love it!

Yes, I think that what I define as Casey's desperation, her ability to deny all reality (seemingly) until she is backed in a corner, is a common denominator to her actions in every respect with Caylee's death and leaving her in the turnk, wild goose chase with the detectives (just one more minute and I will find my way out), as well as her ability to party and play, while she "should" have been thinking of how to deal with the consequences and protect herself, from her perspective. She dumped Caylee, as she did, where she did, because she did not plan anything....she acted at the last possible moment when the pressure blew too much. In my view, this was not masterminding, just an act of selfishness, which we cannot exactly define the details...and then extreme sloppiness, which ended in a bit of luck for her case, in terms of Caylee not being found for six months.

I think that your views are a part of that whole scenario. I agree. Thanks for chiming in, Tim. :-)

DebB,

It is fine to address me, rather than "the person who". We are adults here. It is perfectly ok to disagree and from my view, never personal. I embrace communication in a different way, as I do not view sharing of opinions as confrontational. I will say, in regard to your comment, that I have not ever said that Cindy is not guilty of anything; we likely feel differently about what those things are, and have different perceptions of what they mean and why, but the only reason that I responded to you, was because you said she should "fry". I wanted to understand that...as in, do you, as a Christian, believe people should "fry" for lying to protect their child? As in, would you support changing the laws for Capital Punishment to include that? Or anything else that you percieve has been committed?

It seems very drastic and unforgiving of any of the circumstances to me...so that is why I asked. It is interesting to me that those that follow the story on the news, NG and such, but are not on blogging sites, have a far more sympathetic view, as they have not been exposed to all of the editorial that we share.

For me, this is all very analytical and not personal, life and people are too precious for that. We just have differing views, that is all good.

Goodnight to all!

xoxo
Heike

Heike
you gotta quit girl your obsess with me you center on me focus on me even when I ignore you , If I am speaking to you or about you I will address you . Believe I wont.

You seem drawn to me and its very creepy.

I don't particularly care what your views of christian are, you are not being analytical you are obsessing with me personally not the group.
Really I mean stop okay? Please Let it go and move on to your next person , I am not available and will not respond to anymore prompts of my name used by you in your text ...your starting to creep me out. Thank you.

Krisam
do you think she will blame her parents when up on stand , does anyone think she will take the stand?
I wonder often if she will. She has been silent so long , I am sure she has much to say.

Tim wrote, What I read in all the partying and in the careless check-kiting from Amy's checkbook is a desperate Casey saying to herself, "What the hell? What else is left, with my baby daughter gone and my parents hopelessly estranged from me?" Do any of you pick up on that same kind of vibe—partying like there literally wasn't a tomorrow?

Very intereting point Tim, as for the check kiting (love that term) I got the impression that Casey felt justified in taking that money because she did not get to go on the trip with her friends, and therefor, in Casey's deranged mind, they owed her.

Deb- I can't see KC taking the stand!! NO way!! But, I do believe she blames her parents, LE, the State, anybody but herself!!!

But Krisam most people like her do want to take the stand and the ones who listen to their lawyer s do not take the stand I cant imagine her not taking the stand she is just like oj just like him.

Deb- That is true, and we could all be in for a big surprise and see KC take the stand. But, I have to hand it to KC, she has followed Baez’ advise of no communications, which is a surprise for me with KC’s personality!!!! Also, I can’t remember, did OJ take the stand?? I don’t recall that he did. I still don't believe we will see KC take the stand!!!

hmmm didnt he take stand in his last case? I am sure not infalliable one case becomes another lately my mind is so busy with other things
your right tho she has been quiet but is it because she has been in isolation?

she seems like the kind of person who wants to talk wants to tell her side thinking she will make you believe it, I believe she will want to take the stand they may forbid her but I think she will WANT TO AND TRY to , she thinks she is believable I just don't know .......... tough call you know?

I know what it was he spoke at t he trial for sentencing
(robbery)
I dont know I just think Casey would talk if they would let her But I feel they wont allow her to take stand , the prosecution would eat her alive with her lies if she did.

OK, DebB...to me this is about the topic, not about drama. We veer here and there, but I have tried to present a postive place to move to, as in the topic at hand and sending postiive messages. (read up)

I do not understand or relate to a word you say about my communication, as it relates to your own ideas and has zero to do with what I have actually said. That is quite clear.

I am baffled that you would even post such nonsense. If you have to get personally insulting, please look at the words objectively or take it to PM if you must. I doubt that anyone wants to be a part of it.

I have tried to redirect this, and it seems you are unable to connect. I can only say it over and over, nothing is about you personally, it is the nuances of the topic that we are discussing.

I do not appreciate your portayal of me, and unfair comments, as they are far removed from reality. I will not log back into this blog topic, so as to ensure that I do not feel a need to respond to any further bullying by you...but I will ask you to search your heart for your motivation?

And just so it is clear, this is not about religion, I accept all, as I have said. And a good percentage of those I love are Christian. Your perceptions and attacks have nothing to do with my world or my character.

I wish you the best,

Heike

What an adventure it would be if Casey took the stand, but I do not think the defense would EVER let that happen! They would use every ounce of their power to avoid it, and they have quite a bit, if Casey wants them to defend her?

Krisam
Baez said in his most recent interview that the chloroform like everything else in this case was blown out proportion ,
Sooo the check kiting (thanks Dewey lol) and the duct tape and the body in the trunk and etc will definitely be underplayed by them, he went on to imply that all the people that the state has brought into investigate this case was overboard.
So it sounds like to me he is not going with the she did it accidentally , or because she was mentally ill it really sounds like they will stick to the end with a Nanny mysterious stranger etc approach.

written by quailygurl, 8:07:44 am MST
and im pretty sure if kc confided in ca or ga, they would have done just about anything to help her cover it up or make it look more like an 'accident'
the calls to LE were knee jerk reactions, when they knew more, and all signs pointed to kc, they went into cover up mode, like they are now
ca and ga's only regrets were those instinctual calls and statements to LE
Quaily I don't know how I missed this the other day , But is what I think too, I think they were in what you call knee jerk mode when they admitted what little they did admit.
BUt I still wonder if the "don't worry I have said anything" that Casey said to Cindy is relating to I have not told them you guys helped me or something else? And will it come out at trial ? I don't think anything she says will be believed by the jury but at same token I would love to know how much they really did help her, you know? How deep that ship sails?

I want to say I truly thought they would come with a better defense by now that the same one they began with.

written by DebB, 11:11:20 am MST
I want to say I truly thought they would come with a better defense by now that the same one they began with.

Deb, the problem is that once you formulate a story you pretty much have to stick with it. I find it fascinating that, while the Anthonies have stuck with the Zenaida story, they've found ways to tweak and mold the story to fit the state of the evidence. Casey turned around from saying Caylee was abducted from the Sawgrass Apartments by Zenaida while she was at work to saying it was from Blanchard Park with the aid of Zenaida's sister, then trying to imply that Zenaida was code for Jesse Grund. Recent evidence from the entomology report tends to shoot down an alternate theory that would have someone besides Casey dumping the body later, while Casey was in jail, but Casey's attorney Linda Kenney-Baden still says "someone else killed this child," leaving open that possibility, or at least that it might have been someone else besides Zenaida Gonzalez. Of course not all these permutations of theories can be true, but they've managed to put together a veritable smorgasbord menu of them for "reasonable doubters" on a jury to choose from.

DebB, I video taped the entire OJ trial..lol
No, OJ didn't take the stand. As I recall in the defense's opening statement they claimed they had a witness who saw someone else running from the scene. Now, it's laughable because none of that ever came up again.
I think OJ's dream team just skated along and jumped on whatever evidence they could argue. Example; the change of hands with OJs blood sample, the hot headed possible bad cop Fuhrman, it just went on and on.
I think Baez&Co. plan to do the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't even hear the name Zenaida Gonzalez. They may claim Zenaida who? Oh, that wasn't her real name. IDK, but the OJ trial was a true learning experience for me. Boring at times but informative.
It's going to be up to the state to prove their case. The defense doesn't have to prove anything, just raise reasonable doubt.
I'm still thinking the state has the best chance of a conviction.

I'm sure a lot was learned from the OJ trial
and I'm pretty sure the state will get a conviction on the evidence they have
the difference between OJ and kc are vast
at least OJ was somebody once, kc never amounted to anything

I missed this post,
Tim's opinion mirrors mine when it comes to Casey's actions. She's so nonchalant, even if she did just murder her own child, it amazes me how composed KC is during this time of crisis.
Yes Tim, I'm picking this up too. Is the tattoo something to remind her of her "month of freedom" from the prison life of the Anthony household?
It really makes you wonder..

written by Tim in Colorado, 8:36:09 am MST
What I read in all the partying and in the careless check-kiting from Amy's checkbook is a desperate Casey saying to herself, "What the hell? What else is left, with my baby daughter gone and my parents hopelessly estranged from me?" Do any of you pick up on that same kind of vibe—partying like there literally wasn't a tomorrow?

I think Cindy was very much a warden

as far as the check fraud
i think kc thought everyone would buy her story that the nanny kidnapped the child and she would recieve the noteriety of being a parent of a missing child and would recieve so much sympathy that her friend Amy would say, don't worry about the money, i understand
also about signing her own name, could have been a caught in the moment mistake, but after she began to write 'Casey' and not Amy on the check realized her error but couldn't scribble out her name to write another, that would have been a red flag to the cashier.
i notice when i use my credit card, 9 times out of 10 they don't even compare your signature anymore, so she probably wasn't worried about stealing the money, because in her mind it would have been small beans nexyt to her story of her baby being kidnapped, we have to remember that kc thought her story would fly . . . . jmo

quailygurl,
You made a good point, maybe KC did accidently sign her name out of habit and didn't want to correct it while standing at the counter..like you mentioned, definite red flag. And you're so right, cashiers seldom look at signatures on anything..(that bugs me) and this is why I use cash most of the time. Yes, I'm that slow old lady at the check out counter..lol
but I agree with you. That's probably what happened. She did it by accident. Makes sense.

or perhaps she signed her own name and presented her drivers license , I know stores will take a check of a different name if you have drivers license.

you know what I mean? , I can hand you a check and you can sign your own name to it if you present your drivers license.

Just my thought of the day..
Is this possible?
KC is Zenaida Gonzalez. Is KC the real ZG? If she wanted to pretend that a babysitter kidnapped Caylee and this babysitter (BS) supposedly had access to the Anthony home computer. The "BS" (literally) searched chloroform because as most of us know chloroform is used in movies to kidnap someone. Maybe the BS was watching One Tree Hill. Maybe the BS was searching all these suspicious things. Maybe the BS had to get a traffic violation to seem like she existed. Let's see what Annie D has to say about the BS and the accident/traffic violations.
I think we all agree, it seems Annie D's statement has been altered in the doc dump.

I thought Annies statements were odd
do you think some of her statements were omitted or do you think it was actually altered
It seems Annie would have more to say, do you think the state is holding back some of her statements purposly?
and can they do that?
it's been talked about kc possibly having metal illness, so this would be like kc was schizo and had another 'personality', the BS, i don't think it's too far fetched, but it seems more calculated than an actual other personality disorder
like if she gave her BS name on the traffic incident while with Annie wouldn't Annie be like 'what the heck was that about?' you would think kc would have to fill her in. you know what i'm saying?

My question, how long did she keep this child in the trunk? I don't mean when the child died, before this instance??? I think this was her routine when she went to bars, or out with friends. She couldn't go with her friends on their little planned vacation. She should have walked away, instead of trying to put on a show. Pretending like she cared for this little girl. When she pretended to work she went places like boyfriends, said Caylee was at this nannys house. She didn't work how or why would her little girl be with a nanny. This is all lies, and the grandparents need to wake up. I feel sorry for them, but if they stand up to the truth and not support their daughter, their daughter may do the right thing.

Well, I will say this...I agree that the "3 charge per check fraud" is overkill by the prosecution. A rational reason? Casey and her defense sickens those who chose a career in civil service, make 75% less per hour as public service attorneys putting in double the time.
Look at this from the prosecution's angle....if I were in their shoes and had to hear Bozo's constant, whining base-less motions for dismissal while holding solid evidence linking Casey to the murder of her child must eat them up day in and day out.
The convictions for check fraud will be proven by store and bank video along with receipts for purchases made with Amy's checks. This will aid the prosecution's ability to further destroy Casey's charachterer and integrity not to mention her role as a mother (like it's already NOT destroyed?).
Personally, I feel that the murder trial should continue to be put off. Why? Casey is not going anywhere. This may cause her to weaken and possibly confess, claiming it was accidental or at least get her to acceot a plea deal.

Ever since I saw caseys attorney and her together, I get this feeling that there is more to their relationship than we know. I don't know of any attorney that I have seen that shows attention to their clients like he does her.They are more professional. I could be wrong it is just my opinion.