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May 12
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Florida Death Penalty Attorney Qualifications ?Posted by: YourTurnToHelp on May 12, 2009 Tagged in: Jose Baez , Florida Death Penalty , Florida Criminal Procedure , Caylee Anthony , Casey Anthony , attorney requirements
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Since the Death Penalty has been put back on the table in the Casey Anthony case there has been much speculation on who will be the new attorney in the case.
Previously Miami attorney Terence Lenamon, was the death qualified attorney but was removed from the defense last October when the state took the death penalty off the table.
Baez's spokeswoman, Marti Mackenzie, had this to say about a court appearance scheduled for later this month
"At that time, the defense will introduce the highly qualified and outstanding death-qualified attorney as the newest member of the defense team,"
Which is all well and good, but if that's the case what are they doing deposing witnesses without him right now?
There's been speculation as to the "qualifications" of an attorney in the death penalty cases. In all the stories I can find they just kinda dance around it. Here are two of them:
- orlandosentinel - Who will handle Casey Anthony's death-penalty case?
- CFNews13 - Who's Qualified To Handle Casey's Death Penalty Case?
During JVM earlier an attorney said what everyone is referring to is in the Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure and that it doesn't actually put requirements on attorneys unless they are court appointed attorneys, and that if Casey has chosen Baez, then the rule is irrelevant.
Not sure about all that, it's a little out of my jurisdiction. One of you attorney's chyme in here an let me know.
Here's the Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure that everyone is dancing around:
Capital list:
Meet the requirements of Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure Rule 3.112(f) for Lead
Counsel, and 3.112(g) for Co-Counsel, plus:
a. Membership in good standing in The Florida Bar for the previous five years; and
b. In addition to the continuing legal education requirements of 3.112(f)(7) &
3.112(g)(2)(E), respectively, require: During any year that counsel does not attend a
continuing legal education program of at least twelve hours' duration devoted specifically
to the defense of capital cases, counsel is required to obtain the case law update materials
from the Public Defender’s Office, and to advise the Chief Judge by letter that they have
reviewed said materials.
Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.112(f-g).
3.112(f) Lead Counsel. Lead trial counsel assignments should be given to attorneys
who:
(1) are members of the bar admitted to practice in the jurisdiction or admitted to practice
pro hac vice; and
(2) are experienced and active trial practitioners with at least five years of litigation
experience in the field of criminal law; and
(3) have prior experience as lead counsel in no fewer than nine state or federal jury trials
of serious and complex cases which were tried to completion, as well as prior experience
as lead defense counsel or cocounsel in at least two state or federal cases tried to
completion in which the death penalty was sought. In addition, of the nine jury trials
which were tried to completion, the attorney should have been lead counsel in at least
three cases in which the charge was murder; or alternatively, of the nine jury trials, at
least one was a murder trial and an additional five were felony jury trials; and
(4) are familiar with the practice and procedure of the criminal courts of the jurisdiction;
and
(5) are familiar with and experienced in the utilization of expert witnesses and evidence,
including but not limited to psychiatric and forensic evidence; and
(6) have demonstrated the necessary proficiency and commitment which exemplify the
quality of representation appropriate to capital cases, including but not limited to the
investigation and presentation of evidence in mitigation of the death penalty; and
(7) have attended within the last two years a continuing legal education program of at
least twelve hours' duration devoted specifically to the defense of capital cases.
Attorneys who do not meet the continuing legal education requirement on July 1, 2002,
shall have until March 1, 2003, in which to satisfy the continuing legal education
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April 7, 2004 Committee Standards, ratified July 1, 2004; and amended October 8, 2004, July 14, 2005, February 27, 2006, July 19,
2006, and November 2, 2006.
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requirement.
3.112(g) Cocounsel. Trial cocounsel assignments should be given to attorneys who:
(1) are members of the bar admitted to practice in the jurisdiction or admitted to practice
pro hac vice; and
(2) qualify as lead counsel under paragraph (f) of these standards or meet the following
requirements: (A) are experienced and active trial practitioners with at least three years
of litigation experience in the field of criminal law; and (B) have prior experience as lead
counsel or cocounsel in no fewer than three state or federal jury trials of serious and
complex cases which were tried to completion, at least two of which were trials in which
the charge was murder; or alternatively, of the three jury trials, at least one was a murder
trial and one was a felony jury trial; and (C) are familiar with the practice and procedure
of the criminal courts of the jurisdiction; and (D) have demonstrated the necessary
proficiency and commitment which exemplify the quality of representation appropriate
to capital cases, and (E) have attended within the last two years a continuing legal
education program of at least twelve hours' duration devoted specifically to the defense
of capital cases. Attorneys who do not meet the continuing legal education requirement
on July 1, 2002, shall have until March 1, 2003, in which to satisfy the requirement

written by melpom, Tue 12 May 2009 18:42:44 MST
Just my JD opinion...
written by mimi4allchildren, Tue 12 May 2009 18:50:00 MST
Was a bit much for my brain to absorb.
Now, will you explain it in a way I can understand LOL
written by mimi4allchildren, Tue 12 May 2009 18:53:32 MST
And I made that wonderful comment about you and Charlie earlier today on the other NG thread, LOL
No, seriously, that's too hard for me to get it all.
Mel will explain it to us, I'm sure
written by janie, Tue 12 May 2009 19:10:54 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Tue 12 May 2009 19:13:56 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Tue 12 May 2009 19:15:07 MST
YourTurn is laughing his a** off probably!
Another Gotcha moment for us.
written by mimi4allchildren, Tue 12 May 2009 19:16:47 MST
Law is not my strong suit, I'm tellin you.
written by BJ in Oregon, Tue 12 May 2009 19:25:37 MST
written by Bombshell, 7:12:06 pm MST
I did ok till I got to the italics...
Copy and paste it in Word and change it to regular text and you'll do fine. Do you always have a problem with italics?
written by Bombshell, Tue 12 May 2009 19:30:04 MST
written by aanncc, Tue 12 May 2009 19:37:26 MST
written by peggyday, Tue 12 May 2009 19:51:02 MST
written by nola09, Tue 12 May 2009 20:05:03 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:08:10 MST
I thoroughly enjoyed Mr. Lenamon's statement about having significant disagreements with Mr. Baez's handling of the case... Not as eloquent as what Mark NeJame said, but it's the same difference.
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:12:46 MST
What's the problem?
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:15:29 MST
He's been there 4 years, and if this case takes another year, it will be 5...
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:18:17 MST
written by peggyday, Tue 12 May 2009 20:20:00 MST
I thought the same thing..while JB is in good standing with the bar he hasn't been an attorney for five years, and it's my understanding he's only been a practicing attorney for three years. IDK, it almost seems like he's not qualified for co-counsel either.
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:20:16 MST
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:20:24 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:22:49 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:24:18 MST
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:30:27 MST
written by lilone, 8:15:29 pm MST
Complaints against him don't count, unless he is guilty and is reprimanded. Anybody can complain, so they don't just count them.
He's been there 4 years, and if this case takes another year, it will be 5...
Assuming they don't find 1 (or more) of those 3 complaints credible..... and charge him with something.
You know, I just this very second had a thought..... maybe the reason Bozo is trying to drag this out is so that he will meet the 5 year requirement...n something to think about.
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:33:35 MST
written by lilone, 8:22:49 pm MST
She watched for an hour? And nobody else knows anything about this? Why was her cell where she could see, and if they were having such a problem with KC, why were they allowing others to watch, particularly for an entire hour? It's hard for me, but I wasn't there, so I can't say it didn't happen. I'm just waiting for a "leak" of the video that captured it.
O ye, of little faith......
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:34:55 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:38:21 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:43:51 MST
written by Zenga, Tue 12 May 2009 20:46:45 MST
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:47:23 MST
written by Zenga, Tue 12 May 2009 20:49:23 MST
Baez is making a joke of this case, and that angers me tremendously! Little Caylee deserves better than an attorney making a joke of a murder case.
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:51:06 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:53:39 MST
Did you notice that my avatar is dedicated to you?
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:55:41 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:57:23 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:58:22 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 20:59:09 MST
Did anyone ever tell you, it ain't easy bein' green?
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 20:59:28 MST
written by Zenga, 8:49:23 pm MST
Simply cannot wait for Baez to "REVEAL" the new death penalty attorney who has joined his team. Many, many lawyers must be sitting back and laughing at Mr. Baez at this point! IMO
Baez is making a joke of this case, and that angers me tremendously! Little Caylee deserves better than an attorney making a joke of a murder case.
Zenga, I so agree with you. Every attorney, defense or prosecution, I have heard or read about says Bozo is making BIG mistakes. But, as he said in one of his many interviews, he doesn't care what they think.... Now THAT is ego.....
written by Snaz, Tue 12 May 2009 21:01:29 MST
written by lilone, Tue 12 May 2009 21:07:23 MST
Thanks to all for a fun chat!
written by Charlie, Tue 12 May 2009 21:16:45 MST
The ruling says defendants could request a Judge to overturned their sentence if they can prove their lawyers actions were 'deficient' and that with better representation there was "reasonable probability" that they could have received a more appropriate sentence.
written by BJ in Oregon, Tue 12 May 2009 21:38:03 MST
Response the the negative posts on the Larry King blog regarding the Anthony's appearance on LK tomorrow night.
http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/
“A message to everyone that wants to see something good come from a tragedy. The last 9 months have been a living hell for my family and no one could possibly understand. There is no reason for any of this and there are no answers that will ever make things better.
How does one deal with things they do not understand? Everyone deals with their emotions differently. Some keep things bottled up, others get angry and look only for the negative. With a good support system, anyone can deal with these emotions and turn them into a positive outcome. This is what our family is trying to do by creating Caylee Marie’s foundation. Doing so will give us a focus off the negative and allow us to heal by helping others.
We know that the months ahead will be difficult; however, we are willing to move ahead and turn the tragic loss of our Caylee into a living tribute to her very existence. You see the love in our family is strong, and no matter what will be placed in our path, our love for her will be the driving force.
Some want us to do things differently, to those who disagree with what we do, all I can say to them is that this is our way to cope. This is our way to grieve, and our way to honor our Caylee Marie.”
~ George & Cindy Anthony
written by BJ in Oregon, Tue 12 May 2009 21:48:50 MST
written by Zenga, Tue 12 May 2009 22:09:10 MST
BJ: P.S. - The Anthonys are dildos! George and Cindy are playing the VICTIM role. The two of them simnply don't get it! They most likely will NEVER get it. What else can I say? um ~~ nada
written by Zenga, Tue 12 May 2009 22:11:31 MST
written by melpom, Tue 12 May 2009 22:27:36 MST
written by melpom, Tue 12 May 2009 22:29:20 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, 7:16:47 pm MST
I never took "Bar 101"...oh, except the kind with the live bands and all, LOL.
Law is not my strong suit, I'm tellin you.
...
ROFLMAO, I bartended thru Law school. Literally! LOL!
written by melpom, Tue 12 May 2009 22:35:56 MST
written by artgal16, Tue 12 May 2009 22:36:08 MST
is simply for promotion of their foundation. I wonder if they will even talk about the case. One good thing is that many people are monitoring the foundation and for now it is a "for profit" foundation with non-profit status pending. I think I read that someone has already reported them for a scam to several agencies. Anything to do with the Milsteads with their long history of legal problems is going to eventually get them in legal trouble too.
written by BJ in Oregon, Tue 12 May 2009 22:38:33 MST
They should have never responded to the comments. There's gonna be a riot!!
written by BJ in Oregon, Tue 12 May 2009 22:46:44 MST
written by BJ in Oregon, Tue 12 May 2009 23:19:36 MST
http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/13/casey-anthony-george-cindy-are-public-relations-flops/
Casey Anthony: George, Cindy are public-relations flops
Posted: 12:51 AM ET
By Hal Boedeker/Orlando Sentinel
WHY?
written by Paige, Wed 13 May 2009 01:03:27 MST
written by Zenga, 10:09:10 pm MST
The Anthonys are dildos!
OMG! LMAO! I almost sucked a piece of Krispy Kreme doughnut into my lung when I read that!
Can we really use the word "dildo" on here? If only I had known, I'd have used it LONG ago! LOL!
written by Narcissus, Wed 13 May 2009 06:15:09 MST
written by lilone, Wed 13 May 2009 07:14:16 MST
Look up the word dildo and be careful how you use it...
written by shyloh, Wed 13 May 2009 08:05:43 MST
written by shyloh, Wed 13 May 2009 08:07:09 MST
written by lilone, 7:14:16 am MST
Paige,
Look up the word dildo and be careful how you use it...
There is only ONE meaning for that word so how does one use it carefully?
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 08:08:20 MST
Attorney Left Defense Because He Disagreed With Baez's Strategy
Posted: 8:59 am EDT May 13, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team once had a death penalty qualified attorney, but last week he dropped the case.
Attorney Terence Lenamon now says he stopped representing Casey because he did not agree with the legal strategy of her lead attorney Jose Baez.
"We had a difference in what I believe should have been done with the approach that is mental health related," Lenamon told CNN's Nancy Grace during an interview Tuesday night.
Lenamon explained he would have had Casey plead not guilty by reason of insanity.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19448158/detail.html
written by shyloh, Wed 13 May 2009 08:11:39 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:19:27 MST
I got the feeling last night on NG that Lenamon was all but coming right out and saying that they all knew KC killed caylee...even baez...and that's why they had "significant disagreements" about how the case should be handled. Lenamon wanted an insanity defense; ok, that means they know she did it and are just trying to figure out what kind of defense to go with to try to get her off.
That's why Lenamon isn't on the case anymore; he told baez the TRUTH, and the truth and baez and KC are strangers....
written by melpom, Wed 13 May 2009 08:27:36 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:37:41 MST
He said it on NG last night, too.
That's admitting that she's guilty, right?
written by Logical, Wed 13 May 2009 08:37:50 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:41:12 MST
They just won't stop, will they?
It's like they constantly have to get the last word and have their "in your face" moment.
Now they've made everyone even more upset, and I think they like it that way.
They should just stay at home and shut their mouths.
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:42:28 MST
In order for him to have written that argument, wouldn't he have had to know "facts" to make that argument?
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:43:48 MST
Because he KNOWS she's guilty and wanted to go with the insanity?
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:46:04 MST
written by shyloh, Wed 13 May 2009 08:46:12 MST
written by Logical, Wed 13 May 2009 08:50:23 MST
What has always mystified me is why he sent the document to the media.
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:56:50 MST
That really cute defense attorney on HLN, one of the experts, can't think of his name (Mark?) said one day that he saw those pictures and somehow got access to that material. Then I believe he said he was told he would be sued if they ever got out.
So did Lenamon actually send the document to the media, or did the media just "somehow" stumble upon it...
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 08:59:58 MST
If this were my daughter, I think I'd just stay out of the spotlight.
They're really making it worse for her. Do they know that???
That's the question.
written by Logical, Wed 13 May 2009 09:08:55 MST
IIRC, the media had the document before it was even officially filed with the SAO, so the only logical source would be directly from Lenamon.
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 09:11:58 MST
Will you be watching LKL tonight?
Honestly, I don't know if I can stomach it again.
Maybe I'll just follow the blog here and watch everyone as they pass out from the drinking game, lol
written by Logical, Wed 13 May 2009 09:22:51 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 09:30:48 MST
Larry King was a big wimp the last time they were on.
Doesn't matter about any of the negative comments sent in to him, he still handles them with kid gloves.
I think he's getting just a little too old for the business he's in, quite frankly.
Tonight will be NOTHING but promotion of the Caylee Foundation.
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 09:36:53 MST
I've seen him be aggressive with others on his show, but not with them.
He's really not fair and balanced.
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 10:06:07 MST
Casey's Death Penalty Attorney Explains Why He Quit
Posted: 8:59 am EDT May 13, 2009
Updated: 10:40 am EDT May 13, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team once had a death penalty qualified attorney, but last week he dropped the case.
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RAW VIDEO: Attorney Terence Lenamon On Nancy Grace
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Attorney Terence Lenamon now says he stopped representing Casey because he did not agree with the legal strategy of her lead attorney Jose Baez.
"We had a difference in what I believe should have been done with the approach that is mental health related," Lenamon told CNN's Nancy Grace during an interview Tuesday night (watch it).
Lenamon explained he would have had Casey plead not guilty by reason of insanity.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19448158/detail.html
Link to video:
http://www.wftv.com/video/19448983/index.html
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 10:08:44 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 10:43:52 MST
You know what I personally think is this: Baez and all of the defense attorneys know that KC did something..she probably has them convinced that it was an accident. Maybe that she and her mother had a big fight, caylee was very upset, she maybe gave her benedryl or something to knock her out and she died.(All just what she probably TOLD them) She was so afraid of her mother that she covered it up. Or maybe she told them that one of her parents left the ladder on the pool up and caylee got in and drowned,NOT, but I do think she told baez that it was an accident and that's why he keeps saying "KC is innocent".
He's so money/fame hungry, he'd rather fight this as a not guilty, thinking he can create reasonable doubt with one or two jurors.
I think they all REALLY know that KC is guilty, but would rather chance letting a jury decide with the hopes of one of them believing all the crapola they plan to throw out there.
I think Lenamon KNEW what KC really did; he had to have had some pretty good info to go with his DP argument. JMO, but I think all her defense attorneys know she is NOT innocent, but want the MONEY/FAME that would come with a not guilty verdict.
Why else would an experienced death qualified attorney like Lenamon withdraw originally? Why else would Baez not want him back on the case? Because Lenamon KNOWS!
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 10:58:13 MST
Lenamon probably knew enough to know they would never win an acquittal. Being an experienced DP atorney, he knows their only chance is to defend it as not guilty by reason of insanity. Not that I buy that, but he would have to defend her with something!!!
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 11:07:43 MST
Lenamon even wrote in his DP argument that about the child probably died from some type of overdose. Leads me to believe that it was all discussed in the "office" among all the lawyers for him to come to his conclusion.
We had a case near me where a guy got out of his car at a busy intersection and went from car to car, shooting and killing the passengers in the cars. I believe he killed at least 7 and injured many more. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity, but was sentenced to a mental hospital where he comes up for parole every year and is denied. He said "the devil told him to do it". This guy actually gets out on work release from the mental ward every day.
Lenamon probably thought this defense would maybe work better in KCs case. Maybe some of the jurors would buy it, but not if they really listened to ALL the evidence.
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 11:37:44 MST
Posted: 12:28 pm EDT May 13, 2009
Updated: 12:42 pm EDT May 13, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- In the case against Casey Anthony, defense attorney Jose Baez is questioning witnesses under oath Wednesday, including a DCF worker who investigated a previous child abuse charge against Casey and an Orange County deputy.
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VIDEO REPORT: Baez Questioning DCF Worker, Deputy
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The deputy was one of the first to get to the Suburban Drive location the day Caylee Anthony's remains were found on December 11.
Defense attorney Jose Baez arrived Wednesday morning at the State Attorney's Office alone to question witnesses under oath.
Baez has been questioning a state child abuse investigator who talked to Casey last year before she was indicted for first-degree murder of her daughter, Caylee Anthony.
Eyewitness News has learned that Casey told the investigator she was innocent and also said that babysitter Zenaida Gonzales had Caylee.
She claimed Caylee's late father's family had moved from Kentucky to Italy. Casey also told the child abuse investigator that she worked for Universal Studios.
Jose Baez will also question a Universal Studios security guard, who Casey tried to convince while with investigators, that she worked at the theme park.
Casey did make it through and while wondering through Universal Studios, she laughed and admitted to investigators that she did not work there.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19450451/detail.html
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 11:40:05 MST
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 11:40:40 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 11:47:18 MST
Just got back from reading your post in the Media tour forum.
Very impressive! Glad you shared that great comment with us from LKL blog.
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 11:50:55 MST
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 11:51:41 MST
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 11:52:12 MST
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 12:00:14 MST
I sure hope CA and GA read that one!
written by Curious Dee, Wed 13 May 2009 12:24:52 MST
written by BJ in Oregon, Wed 13 May 2009 12:46:20 MST
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/L...night.html
Anthonys To Appear On ‘Larry King Live’ Tonight
ORLANDO -- George and Cindy Anthony will be back in the national spotlight Wednesday night with an appearance planned on “Larry King Live.”
The parents of Casey Anthony, the Orange County woman charged with murdering her daughter, Caylee, will appear with their lawyer, Brad Conway.
The Anthonys appeared on “Larry King Live” on Dec. 10.
They were actually in the air flying home when Caylee's remains were found the next day in the woods near the family's home.
Another guest planned for the show is John Whynock, who wrote and performed a song at the toddler's memorial.
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 12:47:58 MST
[edit] Conviction and execution
Bite mark testimony at the Chi Omega trialAfter a change of venue to Miami, Bundy went to trial for the Chi Omega murders in June 1979, with Dade County Circuit Court Judge Edward D. Cowart presiding. Despite having five court-appointed lawyers, he insisted on acting as his own attorney and even cross-examined witnesses, including the police officer who had discovered Margaret Bowman's body. He was prosecuted by Assistant State Attorney Larry Simpson.[68]
Two pieces of evidence proved crucial. First, Chi Omega member Nita Neary, getting back to the house very late after a date, saw Bundy as he left, and identified him in court.[69] Second, during his homicidal frenzy, Bundy bit Lisa Levy in her left buttock, leaving obvious bite marks. Police took plaster casts of Bundy's teeth and a forensics expert matched them to the photographs of Levy's wound.[70] Bundy was convicted on all counts and sentenced to death. After confirming the sentence, Cowart gave him the verdict:
It is ordered that you be put to death by a current of electricity, that current be passed through your body until you are dead. Take care of yourself, young man. I say that to you sincerely; take care of yourself, please. It is an utter tragedy for this court to see such a total waste of humanity as I've experienced in this courtroom. You're a bright young man. You'd have made a good lawyer, and I would have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner. Take care of yourself. I don't feel any animosity toward you. I want you to know that. Once again, take care of yourself.
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To read the entire entry, which is very interesting, go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
written by Curious Dee, Wed 13 May 2009 12:52:13 MST
IIRC, when TL was on the defense team, he did kick around possible drug overdose or some kind of accidental death, but I don't think that means he was given full access to Casey's files. I wouldn't read much into his statement. Since finding Caylee's body, alot has changed. Duct tape and heart over the mouth doesn't sound much like an accident, unless it was done post death...for whatever reason the killer wanted it to look like something alot more sinister than an accidental overdose. Another problem with the accidental overdose theory is that it can not be proven. I read in discovery, the hairs found on the skull were not in a condition in order to be tested.
I don't know how they're going to defend KC from the death penalty, unless they use no theory. Let the prosecution make their case and the defense will simply argue the points to make them seem less feasable. So the defense might be no defense...IDK
dee
written by Curious Dee, Wed 13 May 2009 12:59:31 MST
I read a book about him years ago by Ann Rule, The Stranger Beside Me. He represented himself for a while as I recall, so no legal technacalities for him.
btw, I'm glad in was in Florida when he committed his last crimes b/c Florida had the DP.
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 13:28:29 MST
written by Curious Dee, 12:52:13 pm MST
? new attorney ?
IIRC, when TL was on the defense team, he did kick around possible drug overdose or some kind of accidental death, but I don't think that means he was given full access to Casey's files. I wouldn't read much into his statement. Since finding Caylee's body, alot has changed. Duct tape and heart over the mouth doesn't sound much like an accident, unless it was done post death...for whatever reason the killer wanted it to look like something alot more sinister than an accidental overdose. Another problem with the accidental overdose theory is that it can not be proven. I read in discovery, the hairs found on the skull were not in a condition in order to be tested.
I don't know how they're going to defend KC from the death penalty, unless they use no theory. Let the prosecution make their case and the defense will simply argue the points to make them seem less feasable. So the defense might be no defense...IDK
dee
I respectfully beg (typed "bed" & changed it
) to differ. I think Lenamon saw every single piece of evidence/discovery/video, etc., to come to the decision to go for the insanity plea. As a seasoned DP attorney, I would expect nothing less than he have access to her entire case. That being said, I do agree the State will not be able to prove if this was accidental given the discovery that has been released to the public thus far. They have to have a "smoking gun" that has not been released (Thank God) in order for the DP to be back on the table. My thought is that the duct tape and heart-shaped sticker was placed on that poor childs mouth post-mordem to make it look like a kidnapping. Maybe the forensics prove that and that is their smoking gun. Who knows?? Whatever the State has on Casey I pray it is not released to Bozo and then the media until close to trial.
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 13:31:32 MST
written by BJ in Oregon, 12:46:20 pm MST
Why can't the media get it right? I thought the Anthony's were in the plane when Caylee's remains were found .....then was told by someone that they were still in LA when they got the news. Now it's being reported that they were in the air......Geez!
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/L...night.html
Anthonys To Appear On ‘Larry King Live’ Tonight
I could have sworn the Ants were told while in the air. Isn't that what Cindy said on CBS This Morning?? Of course, I beleive Nothing Cindy says, so who really knows?? Or, maybe they were in the airport. Either way, the mere thought that they came back and went to the Ritz and pigged out on steak and crab puffs is just horrendous!!
written by Jan, Wed 13 May 2009 13:39:01 MST
written by Jan, Wed 13 May 2009 13:42:27 MST
written by Bombshell, Wed 13 May 2009 14:24:52 MST
written by BJ in Oregon, Wed 13 May 2009 14:32:48 MST
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 14:39:27 MST
written by Bombshell, 2:24:52 pm MST
The news link that BJ provided, I read it, and it says the guy that sang Caylee's song is the one that wrote it. Didn't Cindy say she wrote the song?
Bomb, acccording to an article written by the paper in Jonathan Whynock's hometown, Cindy wrote the lyrics.
"Last Tuesday, hundreds attended a memorial service held at the First Baptist Church in Orlando, where Whynock performed “Caylee’s Song,” playing acoustic guitar and singing lyrics written by Cindy Anthony."
http://www.enterprisenews.com/...al-service
I happen to have started a forum thread on this very topic. In case you missed it and want to check it out, here is the link:
http://www.crimesearchersonlin...9&id=27028
written by CritterFan1, Wed 13 May 2009 14:41:04 MST
written by Logical, Wed 13 May 2009 14:50:52 MST
And I believe that John Allen spoke by phone with Cindy before they left the ground in California.
I wouldn't bet any money on either of the above, however.
written by Logical, Wed 13 May 2009 14:54:04 MST
written by Sway, Wed 13 May 2009 15:35:15 MST
That theory came from a legal analyst during a WESH-Channel 2 report this afternoon.
And the theory grew out of a TV interview. Terence Lenamon, a Miami attorney who quit the Anthony defense team, talked to Nancy Grace on her Headline News show Tuesday night. Lenamon said he believed the defense's approach should be mental-health-related.
That's where WESH came in with the speculation. Criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby, who has offered analysis for the NBC affiliate, suggested that Lenamon's statement means that Baez wants to put Anthony on the stand. She is charged with daughter Caylee's murder.
Hornsby saw Lenamon's approach as more conservative -- one that would avoid putting Casey on the stand.
Baez today conducted three depositions, including one with a Universal Studios executive.
In a noon report, WFTV-Channel 9's Kathi Belich discussed Baez's arrival at the state attorney's office for the depositions. Baez "showed up all alone today" and "didn't stop to talk," she said. "Baez never even took his sunglasses off."
And she added: "After facing criticism for complaining that the murder trial should be moved because of all the publicity in the case, when he is the only one who conducts regular interviews, he seems to be clamming up."
Could that be possible?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.c...stand.html
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 16:11:09 MST
Posted: 4:58 pm EDT May 13, 2009
Updated: 6:02 pm EDT May 13, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony didn't call Caylee her daughter, she called her "that child," according to a DCF child abuse investigator who talked to Casey before she was charged with Caylee's murder.
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IMAGES: Photos Of Casey With Caylee
VIDEO REPORT: DCF Worker Deposed By Baez
BOMBSHELL? Sheaffer On Attorney's Comments
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That DCF worker was questioned under oath Wednesday by Casey's attorney.
Casey lied to the child abuse investigator and she lied to another witness the defense questioned Wednesday, a Universal Studios security guard where she said she worked.
Jose Baez was uncharacteristically quiet with reporters again Wednesday. He didn't stop to talk, never even took off his sunglasses, as he raced past cameras into the State Attorney's Office. He was there to question under oath a state child abuse investigator about what Casey told him last summer.
The DCF worker says Casey referred to Caylee as "that child," according to documents previously released to Eyewitness News. He says Casey told him she was very interested in telling her side of the story and repeated she was innocent. Casey told him Caylee's father, a middle school classmate who was killed in a crash after moving to Kentucky, had set up a trust fund in her name. She said his family now lives in Italy.
Though she said she could get overemotional about Caylee, she was the opposite, very cool and smooth. Casey told DCF that she enjoyed working with the agencies and volunteers looking for Caylee, but she did not cooperate with them or help them in the search.
Universal Studios Security Guard Leonard Tortura also heard Casey's lies for himself. She tried to convince him to let her in when she took detectives there claiming she had an office where they might find clues about Caylee's whereabouts. She didn't work there or anywhere else for two years.
Jose Baez also questioned one of the Orange County deputies who was the first to see Caylee's remains on December 11. He answered meter reader Roy Kronk's 911 call that day and saw Caylee's skull with duct tape attached.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19453077/detail.html
written by Snaz, Wed 13 May 2009 16:13:09 MST
Posted: 5:23 pm EDT May 13, 2009
Updated: 5:35 pm EDT May 13, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The public got an inside look at the defense strategies Casey Anthony's team of lawyers considered from an attorney no longer in her camp. On national TV death penalty lawyer Terence Lenamon said he would've defended Casey by blaming mental health problems.
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RAW VIDEO: Attorney On Nancy Grace
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However, according to WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer, to use a mental health defense you have to admit you did something because of mental health issues.
Even after Casey Anthony was indicted for first-degree murder last fall, partly based on grand jury testimony from her father, publicly her family and defense attorney Jose Baez were still claiming her daughter Caylee was alive. But Lenamon, who joined her defense team last fall after her indictment, dropped a bombshell Tuesday night on CNN's Nancy Grace when she asked him about why he and Baez might have parted ways.
"Was it over your wise counsel that they use a mental health defense?" Grace asked.
"We had a difference in what I believed should've been the approach, which is, I think, mental health related," he said.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says that's a bombshell.
"In order to employ a mental health defense, one has to admit the act," Sheaffer said.
Sheaffer said it's highly unlikely an attorney of Lenamon's experience would advise a client to admit to something they didn't do.
"We must assume that, prior to making this statement, that this attorney was fully apprised of all the facts in this case," Sheaffer said.
But Sheaffer says a client must support the defense argument and it's possible Casey won't back off of her story that the mysterious nanny did it.
"She has a very willful personality and, as we see, she will stick to a story regardless of the overwhelming evidence that she is maintaining a lie," Sheaffer said.
Lenamon was not invited back onto the defense team once prosecutors decided a month ago to seek a death sentence for Casey. Baez claims he has a new death-qualified attorney lined up, but so far there's no sign of that.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19453388/detail.html
written by mimi4allchildren, Wed 13 May 2009 16:34:35 MST
This is what I was talking about earlier. Lenamon knew KC was responsible for caylee's death?
written by peggyday, Wed 13 May 2009 16:34:36 MST
Peggy
written by peggyday, Wed 13 May 2009 16:51:38 MST
The DCF worker says Casey referred to Caylee as "that child," according to documents previously released to Eyewitness News
What documents is this referring to? Have documents been released about this?
written by wrapitup, Wed 13 May 2009 17:27:05 MST
written by peggyday, 4:51:38 pm MST
The DCF worker says Casey referred to Caylee as "that child," according to documents previously released to Eyewitness News
What documents is this referring to? Have documents been released about this?
Yes, early on in the doc dumps I believe back in November because I remember reading them.
written by Maura, Wed 13 May 2009 18:34:15 MST
Todd Macaluso is not DP-qualified because he's a civil attorney, not a criminal defense attorney. His general field is accident reconstruction and his specialty is aviation litigation.
Lenamon visited Casey in the jail for two hours on October 18 (three days after her arrest for murder). He filed his 30-page report with the SAO outlining reasons why Casey Anthony should not get death penalty on November 5; Lenamom hypothesized that if Casey had killed Caylee, then it was accidental and not pre-meditated.
written by jeansee, Fri 15 May 2009 14:54:18 MST
IMO Baez has a huge problem no cash and no experienced DP lawyer would use the Nanny defense or someone else did it defense that Cindy and Casey want to project..IMO An experienced DP lawyer wants to go the route Mr. Lenamon stated not guilty by way of mental problems.... That is her only Defense out of the Death Peanlty.
